tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post7223928839833162832..comments2023-10-25T04:05:04.377-07:00Comments on Botgirl's Digital Playground: SLebrities: Narcissistic Attention Whores or Valuable Thought-Leaders?Botgirl Questihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-80236214332054069022012-03-23T12:40:00.362-07:002012-03-23T12:40:00.362-07:00Yordie: I started writing a response and it's ...Yordie: I started writing a response and it's getting so long that I'm going to use it for a new post. Should be published in the next half hour.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-15559774878249698562012-03-23T12:20:59.155-07:002012-03-23T12:20:59.155-07:00I've read this post a couple times, plus the c...I've read this post a couple times, plus the comments. I think Ron Blechner's comments rang true with me.<br /><br />Maybe you start out just writing for yourself but as soon as you discover you have an audience, you have to recognize you are influancing someone.<br /><br />Sure you can start out desparately seeking attention and maybe you get some, but if your work isn't of any value you'll never influance anyone.<br /><br />I do understand that not everyone is seeking recognition, but it comes with the territory I think.Yordie Sandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05257224182627492456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-54581112335123968442012-03-21T15:08:21.836-07:002012-03-21T15:08:21.836-07:00Ron: I agree that there is nothing wrong with want...Ron: I agree that there is nothing wrong with wanting to be influential. It's also good to be open to influence. <br /><br />Trin: I've been on the periphery of the SL art scene, but have a few friends and acquaintances who have described some of the elitism you mentioned. That said, Second Life is an incredible example of an environment where the amateur artist can find an appreciative audience.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-83234441708583924322012-03-21T12:34:28.932-07:002012-03-21T12:34:28.932-07:00@Botgirl, I've no opinion about the blogospher...@Botgirl, I've no opinion about the blogosphere. Most are just opinions, I enjoy reading or simply ignore. The cockfights are hilarious tho.<br /><br />The evil part I'm talking about is the inevitable implication of any elitist subculture. Bits and pieces, such like a briskly art scene are of very huge value for SL. But they most likely tend to overrate their opinion. If self-importance comes together with the Dunning-Kruger effect and granted influence, the system falls apart. I have dealt enough with designers and so called artists in RL and I had opportunities to meet content creators in SL either. I find the similarities very interesting. Virtual content creators are probably more paranoiac. Maybe for a good reason. After all, the relation between residents/consumers and SLebrities/creators is pretty much an exaggerated illusive social (video) game. SL is society in a nutshell and I actually like it, because it's so predictable.<br /><br />"On the other side of the screen, it all looks so easy."Quen McLillianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01448944073256321141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-6878383624368631042012-03-20T13:06:04.720-07:002012-03-20T13:06:04.720-07:00Anyone with a blog saying they don't want to i...Anyone with a blog saying they don't want to influence people is lying. In fact, I would more think that by saying "I'm not looking for attention" THAT is more of an attention-getting ploy than admitting, "Yeah, I am looking to influence people."<br /><br />I'm also BAFFLED why influencing people is somehow a bad thing to be vilified? Thanks, some of us like to have influence but aren't narcissistic attention whores, as implied.Ron T Blechnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160049835937278838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-86771145204296842122012-03-20T08:05:13.314-07:002012-03-20T08:05:13.314-07:00Thanks for commenting. The question was mostly mea...Thanks for commenting. The question was mostly meant as a tongue in cheek illustration of opinions about this in the SL community. <br /><br />Trin: I'm curious about why you think it is an evil or something negative. The necessary part I get, since they help promote discussion about SL outside of the virtual world itself.<br /><br />Carrie: I agree. I looked up "influence" and it's in the same ball park as "inspiration". It's impacting something in an indirect way, not necessarily through direct logical argument. I think it tends to have a negative connotation in the SL community.<br /><br />Bunie: I read the post and had so little experience with the people and forum mentioned that I couldn't make heads or tails of it.<br /><br />Crap: You may. Thanks for asking.<br /><br />Chestnut: Thanks for reminding us that we are a small crowd. I haven't counted yet, but I bet there are less than a couple of hundred who regularly post and comment on this stuff. It's hard to tell how big the readership/audience for it is. My guess is a few thousand. <br /><br />As I thought more about this yesterday, I think the ego side and the value created side don't have any necessary connection. And you can value your own ideas highly in a non-egotistic way. It's also perhaps more common to marginalize one's own thoughts. <br /><br />As you wrote, this isn't an either or issue. But it's good for us to occasionally evaluate our own actions and motivations and then recalibrate if necessary.<br /><br />And thanks for inspiring me to write this blog post! :DBotgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-56181248987039600592012-03-19T16:41:42.164-07:002012-03-19T16:41:42.164-07:00If I have to pick being a narcissistic attention w...If I have to pick being a narcissistic attention whore or a valuable thought-leader, I have to admit to having a modicum of influence because I do produce a blog that has been around for a while and enjoys a loyal readership. Still, it is important to remember we are a small crowd who mostly talk to each other. I don't put much stock in our ability to really influence much.<br /><br />I prefer to create a third category called "Second Life Observer." It sounds so much nicer than attention whore and less ego driven than thought-leader. But that is just me.Chestnut Rauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414933407901259482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-58816553630784600302012-03-19T11:17:53.388-07:002012-03-19T11:17:53.388-07:00Who? What?
Can I go back to sleep now?
-ls/cmWho? What?<br /><br />Can I go back to sleep now?<br /><br />-ls/cmR.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430588783013579581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-8678428800329810142012-03-19T08:49:59.789-07:002012-03-19T08:49:59.789-07:00http://furpunk.com/2012/03/19/slebrities-are-narci...http://furpunk.com/2012/03/19/slebrities-are-narcissistic-attention-seekers/Bunjiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16785924513947617584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-24787903142741048582012-03-19T08:25:21.608-07:002012-03-19T08:25:21.608-07:00i definitely value people like Chestnut who have a...i definitely value people like Chestnut who have a strong voice in the blogging community. I respect that. I am definitely influenced by that. However, I prefer to think of it as 'inspiration' rather than being influenced. Chestnut and others inspire me to check things out for myself, get informed and make my own opinions and decisions. <br /><br />I suppose it all depends on what being influential means to you, whether that is something negative or positive.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04878655331066631005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-34301119411584543522012-03-19T08:15:13.435-07:002012-03-19T08:15:13.435-07:00Necessary evil.Necessary evil.Quen McLillianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01448944073256321141noreply@blogger.com