tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post628954588079123036..comments2023-10-25T04:05:04.377-07:00Comments on Botgirl's Digital Playground: I think that I will never see, a sim as lovely as a treeBotgirl Questihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-77244874959170432632012-10-27T05:20:43.866-07:002012-10-27T05:20:43.866-07:00My personal situation was not one of a disjoint be...My personal situation was not one of a disjoint between RL and SL, more of the feeling you described in your post "wow! to whatever" [or something like that] ... where the amazing possibilities opened up by the new technology failed to continue the upgrade progression I was expecting. I wanted more.sororNishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17385408562954387986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-88643930458757497242012-10-25T07:03:31.449-07:002012-10-25T07:03:31.449-07:00Oops. Hit "Publish Your Comment" too soo...Oops. Hit "Publish Your Comment" too soon. <br /><br />Anyway, this post wasn't intended as a recantation of my first enthusiastic years of avatar life, or criticism of anyone who is currently focusing their energies there. I was mostly trying to reflect on why so many of my 2008 social circle in Second Life have moved on. And I think that the problem was mostly in not being able to bridge their virtual and physical world when the split approach became either untenable or unsatisfying. Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-69843077720741938902012-10-25T06:53:16.581-07:002012-10-25T06:53:16.581-07:00DrFran, It's hard to deny that Second Life was...DrFran, It's hard to deny that Second Life wasn't the wave of the near-term future many of us thought it would be. But I think ongoing dvances in technology might still break down the visually based barrier between virtual and physical life in the way that texting, social networks, etc. have blurred the boundary in communication and social interaction.<br /><br />I value the time I spent in Second Life and don't believe it was wasted. Quite the contrary. As Soror commented, I found it therapeutic, especially related to creative expression. I also still believe very strongly that pseudonymous virtual identity can be very beneficial and can provide a safe haven for online activity.<br /><br />The main way I think Immersionists got it wrong was in seeing the virtual world as a self-contained replacement for the physical world. Many of us thought that Second Life was the equivalent of a small country and that people would eventually be able to live out the majority of their lives within it. <br /><br />Another big problem was that many of the active people I knew in Second Life at the time hid their avatar identities from spouses and significant others. This issue alone was the primary cause of some people's sudden departure from the grid.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-81201925799046796262012-10-25T02:40:16.177-07:002012-10-25T02:40:16.177-07:00This amazing post is breaking through the denial t...This amazing post is breaking through the denial that told me Second LIfe was the wave of the future, and that we will all have virtual lives, etc. <br />I think we have reached a tipping point, because the people whose blogs I read daily, the folks I see at most major events (except maybe Daniel Voyager), all seem to think that it's denouement time.<br />I love Second Life, but maybe my atomic friends are right thinking I was crazy to spend so much time there.DrFranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06482343673115021157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-14450043441685930402012-10-24T15:14:44.900-07:002012-10-24T15:14:44.900-07:00Thanks for a great post, as usual. There is also, ...Thanks for a great post, as usual. There is also, I think (and have blogged),an element of therapy in SL.<br />Therapy, like going on holiday, makes you stand back from your situation and re-evaluate stuff. <br />It maybe, in addition to the limits you rightly identify, that the lessons learned in SL need to be tested in another reality...<br />...but I miss it too, like I miss my youth ... on occasion.sororNishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17385408562954387986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-12356794899542664492012-10-24T13:29:50.477-07:002012-10-24T13:29:50.477-07:00May: For sure! Things change and then back again. ...May: For sure! Things change and then back again. Hopefully more upwards spiral than endless circle. <br />Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-35565823346012735802012-10-24T11:45:34.216-07:002012-10-24T11:45:34.216-07:00Thanks for a very thought-provoking post. I've...Thanks for a very thought-provoking post. I've been in SL a little more than a year and am now a sim co-owner and SL store owner, so obviously I'm still going strong. I think that people's situations and needs change. And sometimes they change back.May O. Mingzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12208447247873455034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-71541501888952747422012-10-24T03:16:13.480-07:002012-10-24T03:16:13.480-07:00/me sighs: »Me too…«/me sighs: »Me too…«hazelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967248166526788035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-9568335977153974062012-10-23T11:06:31.768-07:002012-10-23T11:06:31.768-07:00Chestnut: I miss the good old days too. Chestnut: I miss the good old days too. Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-68456604568761319942012-10-23T09:19:42.831-07:002012-10-23T09:19:42.831-07:00Crap: I really respect your decision to bail out o...Crap: I really respect your decision to bail out on SecondLie when it stopped being creatively satisfying. I gave up line-in-the-sand pseudonymity for similar reasons. The character that once set my creativity and imagination free eventually became a cage. Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-21152780969038705472012-10-23T09:16:16.198-07:002012-10-23T09:16:16.198-07:00It totally makes sense Whiskey.
My own neuroses ...It totally makes sense Whiskey. <br /><br />My own neuroses is that I am hyper-sensitive which causes me to get paranoid sometimes. ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04878655331066631005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-80677531466263445482012-10-23T09:13:13.804-07:002012-10-23T09:13:13.804-07:00Whiskey: I don't think we ever met in a 3D vir...Whiskey: I don't think we ever met in a 3D virtual world, so I'm very grateful for the avatar-identified community outside of Second Life.on blogs and social networks. :)<br /><br />Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-31653528021564919702012-10-23T08:59:36.488-07:002012-10-23T08:59:36.488-07:00It totally makes sense Whiskey.
My own neurosis ...It totally makes sense Whiskey. <br /><br />My own neurosis is that I am hyper-sensitive which causes me to get paranoid sometimes ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04878655331066631005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-77428427890663869662012-10-23T08:41:18.302-07:002012-10-23T08:41:18.302-07:00There was a time when Marxie bun was happy to spen...There was a time when Marxie bun was happy to spend time exploring SL, blogging about SL, DJing and just generally immersing in the bun. She's been in SL less and less lately, and doesn't write about SL at all anymore. And it stings my heart a bit, because I feel sad and threatened and a little bit left behind. It's not anyone's fault, certainly not Marx's, nor mine. It's simply the evolution of a person. The cycles of life. Intellectually I know this, but emotionally it makes me sad to see those people who really made SL brighter for me moving their light away.<br /><br />Make sense?Whiskey Mondayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16462671644283405701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-15958068369815356182012-10-23T08:38:14.958-07:002012-10-23T08:38:14.958-07:00Nooooo, Carrie, your post didn't cause those f...Nooooo, Carrie, your post didn't cause those feelings. It's my own thing. <br /><br />I figure it's much like what my fellow teachers felt when I told them I was leaving school to homeschool my daughters. "What, we're not good enough for you anymore?" <br /><br />I don't think you, Chestnut or anyone else who is spending less time in SL or giving it up completely are snubbing the rest of us who are still happy there. Not at all. It's an internal dialogue that I have, purely caused by my own loverly neurosis ;)<br /><br />Whiskey Mondayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16462671644283405701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-25347988120493595682012-10-23T07:43:01.727-07:002012-10-23T07:43:01.727-07:00wow I hope I did not offend anyone with my comment...wow I hope I did not offend anyone with my comments on that thread yesterday. I definitely did not mean to do that. I don't think anyone is less or somehow less evolved for loving SL and virtual worlds. Actually, it might sound odd but I was feeling less than and less evolved because I no longer feel the same joy for SL the way I used to. So I figured that's a clear sign that it was time for me to move on.<br /><br />Anyway, good post and my apologies if my responses in those tweets came across that way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04878655331066631005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-18043072079026908012012-10-23T06:18:14.119-07:002012-10-23T06:18:14.119-07:00I miss my blog too. I miss my Second Life like mad...I miss my blog too. I miss my Second Life like mad. I just don't really know how to get it back.<br /><br />Chestnut Rauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414933407901259482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-14308433434519734132012-10-23T05:42:39.995-07:002012-10-23T05:42:39.995-07:00As I ponder the deepening rut my SL identify is in...As I ponder the deepening rut my SL identify is in, I find myself humming Green Day's "Redundant" over and over.<br /><br />I killed off SecondLie because it was the same old jokes, over and over. But then, he was 99% twitter, not SL... wasn't he?<br /><br />Slowly crawling through the bureaucracy and legalese and red tape of my injury, I wonder if I'll emerge wanting to stick my thumb in my mouth and escape this all-to-real reality again and dive into the pixel space... or just dive into something else for escape, like books or more intense writing.<br /><br />My user hours may be high, but they're really just idle time... rocking back... and forth... back... and forth...<br /><br />-ls/cmR.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430588783013579581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-7457489688287571772012-10-23T05:34:18.915-07:002012-10-23T05:34:18.915-07:00A few thoughts that I had, watching your discussio...A few thoughts that I had, watching your discussion on Twitter: <br /><br />- I think that the “outside” SL community has actually hurt SL. More and more people are connecting via Twitter, FB, and blogs. Even though they’re using their avatar identities to do it, they’re doing it outside of Second Life. The community has grown, but that’s diluted the inworld experience. Flickr is now the SL gallery of choice, instead of viewing art inworld. And many avatars who meet in social media outside SL never speak inworld. It’s an odd phenomena. <br /><br />- I sometimes feel the need to defend my love of Second Life during these conversations. As if I’m somehow lesser or being left behind by those who are looking to their first lives for the kind of stimulation they used to find inworld. There’s always the qualifying, “I’m not dissing anyone who still loves SL” tacked on, but it still feels like I’m somehow broken or less evolved for still finding the joy in virtual worlds. <br /><br />I still love my second life. I have found support, friendship, a creative outlet and a way to explore a world without leaving mine. <br /><br />I don't fault anyone for losing that spark. It makes me sad to see it, though, in people who have had such a profound effect on my own SL experience. Watching my favorite bloggers and artists just peter out is hard. <br /><br />But people change. Second Life has changed. I get that. For now, though, I'll keep doing what feels right for me, and support everyone else doing the same. <br /><br />But I sure do miss Ches's SL blog. <br />Whiskey Mondayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16462671644283405701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-38504152769450395262012-10-22T15:58:38.399-07:002012-10-22T15:58:38.399-07:00Bay it makes me really quite sad to feel the way I...Bay it makes me really quite sad to feel the way I do. I never wanted to fall out of love with Second Life.Chestnut Rauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414933407901259482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-493219055127045162012-10-22T12:52:33.954-07:002012-10-22T12:52:33.954-07:00Bay: I hear you. And I realize that for some peopl...Bay: I hear you. And I realize that for some people, the honeymoon never ended. I agree with you about there being NPIRL aspects to the virtual world that are of unique value. I appreciate them too. Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-68517806094026079292012-10-22T12:46:36.279-07:002012-10-22T12:46:36.279-07:00Chestnut: Thanks for that tweet and the subsequent...Chestnut: Thanks for that tweet and the subsequent conversation thread. I love those little thought provokers!Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-7220508540971944362012-10-22T12:41:21.282-07:002012-10-22T12:41:21.282-07:00Every time I see one of these Second-Life-doesn...Every time I see one of these Second-Life-doesn't-work-for-me-like-it-used-to posts, I just want to cry. Believe me, the atomic life doesn't work for me like it used to either. Things change. It's true the virtual can never be a substitute for the atomic. It was never meant to be. Nor can the atomic be a substitute for the virtual. What I will always value about Second Life is how it awakens a poetic, dreamy side of me I don't have a clue how to touch in my atomic world.Bay Sweetwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828984487030553548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-63525648808231511972012-10-22T10:31:58.069-07:002012-10-22T10:31:58.069-07:00Thank you for this post. All I could come up with ...Thank you for this post. All I could come up with is a tweet!<br /><br />My time is limited and it is quite true, my SL honeymoon is over. Luckily much interesting conversation happens over social media and many of my SL relationships have moved to RL. Chestnut Rauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414933407901259482noreply@blogger.com