tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post2814771471556188908..comments2023-10-25T04:05:04.377-07:00Comments on Botgirl's Digital Playground: What Does the Silent Majority of Second Life Think?Botgirl Questihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-84326856547764676782010-11-01T06:03:21.345-07:002010-11-01T06:03:21.345-07:00Another question Hamlet's comment brings to mi...Another question Hamlet's comment brings to mind is how the "million avatars" relates to active members of some Second Life community. If only 1/3 logged in for a "few hours" I wonder how many were logged in for at least a few hours every week. <br /><br />I agree that there is likely a very strong correlation between how involved one is in some Second Life community (even if it's a community of just a few people) and how likely one is to regularly follow news and discussion about Second LIfe via the internet and social networks.<br /><br />Whatever all of these numbers boil down, the question remains about whether the people who are active in Second LIfe internet discussions reflect the viewpoints of those who are not.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-443142705943973292010-11-01T06:01:33.860-07:002010-11-01T06:01:33.860-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-81078954694474152472010-11-01T05:31:01.536-07:002010-11-01T05:31:01.536-07:00Hamlet: Thanks for sharing your stats. It seems my...Hamlet: Thanks for sharing your stats. It seems my estimate may have been low. But perhaps not as low as your raw numbers may indicate at first thought. <br />Would you mind sharing how many visitors hit your site more than once a month . . . or at least once a week? <br /><br />About 20% of my unique visitors over the last year have returned more than 14 times. It's likely that most of them have hit the site from more than a single IP address (work/home/phone/etc.) so I bet my actual unique "people" is closer to 10%. If your stats are similar, that would make your 50,000 total uniques = 5,000 regular visitors. But maybe your retention is way higher than mine!<br /><br />Over the course of this comment thread and a couple related discussions, we've brought up the idea that there is also a difference between reading about Second Life and participating in internet-searchable discussions. So another interesting statistic would be how many unique people have commented on a post in the last year, and perhaps how many have commented more than a couple of times.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-30129940756656613342010-11-01T04:55:34.740-07:002010-11-01T04:55:34.740-07:00@Hamlet; Botgirl's discussion continues here:
...@Hamlet; Botgirl's discussion continues here:<br /><a rel="nofollow">http://botgirl.blogspot.com/2010/10/more-on-so-called-silent-majority-and.html </a>sitearmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00751059788822469340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-51538237878216607722010-11-01T02:30:55.798-07:002010-11-01T02:30:55.798-07:00Botgirl, your basic point is valid though I think ...Botgirl, your basic point is valid though I think some of the numerical assumptions are a bit off. For example, New World Notes (which is still about 75% on SL) averages roughly 50,000 regular unique visitors, and probably 150K total this year, due to some heavy Boing Boing/StumbleUpon/Kotaku etc. link love. Also, while about a million people log into SL monthly, based on stats T Linden announced last year, only about 350K are logged in for more than a few hours. I'd say that's the number that have a real engagement and investment in Second Life. I'd estimate about a third of that segment read *some* kind of Second Life blog, even if it's just fashion.Hamlet Auhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01149715248866854571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-39262704191583214142010-10-29T00:24:39.966-07:002010-10-29T00:24:39.966-07:00great post. Interesting comments. I guess I dont b...great post. Interesting comments. I guess I dont belong to the silent majority. The reason is just that I have loved to write "stories" since I was a child. And read and debate different issues. <br /><br />We are in Virtual worlds for different reasons. Without the blog sphere i dont know if i would have stayed...happy I found you all weirdoes =)Mera Kranfelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17671947433797959660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-48685046562596000372010-10-28T08:57:47.720-07:002010-10-28T08:57:47.720-07:00I posted a blog here extending the original articl...I posted a blog <a href="http://botgirl.blogspot.com/2010/10/more-on-so-called-silent-majority-and.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> extending the original article.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-25864837959369887342010-10-28T01:12:47.350-07:002010-10-28T01:12:47.350-07:00oooo dis why i reads blogs:
"you have corner...oooo dis why i reads blogs:<br /><br />"you have cornered the market on the Vulcan mind-meld"<br /><br />"Um, no, Jim, nice try at a hate-fest, but no sale."<br /><br />ps- awww Botgirl! *^_^* you should try pulling Prok's ponytail! Oh, wait... somehow, you already did...<br /><br />*headspin*Miso Susanowahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14628657533849686313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-21838012579349098482010-10-27T18:24:28.743-07:002010-10-27T18:24:28.743-07:00Jim: Don't be shy about posting a link to a re...Jim: Don't be shy about posting a link to a related post of yours in comments. I know that some people don't like that, but it's fine here.<br /><br />Dividni: I think Prok has a secret crush on me. Like the little boy in school who pulls on the ponytail of the one he really likes. Or maybe I got that backwards. ;)Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-52949278904755725882010-10-27T17:56:01.948-07:002010-10-27T17:56:01.948-07:00I only read blogs. What's Second Life? :-D
T...I only read blogs. What's Second Life? :-D<br /><br />There are really three groups: people who don't read blogs, people who do but don't make comments, and people who comment on others' blogs. The last group certainly isn't silent, the first group is silent (in the sense you're using the word), but I'm not sure about the middle one.<br /><br />Some SL blogs actually have a huge readership, like the ones for freebies. Are those readers part of the silent majority, or no?<br /><br />Why is Prok spending time commenting on blogs he despises? Is he lonely?<br /><br />Can I have some free hair now?Dividni Shostakovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134699729838873403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-85984573964466562632010-10-27T17:47:20.287-07:002010-10-27T17:47:20.287-07:00Botgirl, I think that last comment of yours is dea...Botgirl, I think that last comment of yours is dead-on. In fact that was more or less the topic of my blog entry yesterday. Although I must admit, it's sometimes fun to form theories and make predictions, if we can somehow do so without it being at the expense of others, especially if it is speculation.Jim Tarberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972751348051683710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-39585653059491970102010-10-27T17:27:33.609-07:002010-10-27T17:27:33.609-07:00Ann: I really liked your "The less I read the...Ann: I really liked your "The less I read the better I feel" comment. I think many of us (me included) would be better off if we focused on communicating our own experience rather than speculating about the thoughts, motivations, actions and intent of other people.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-43101550978804744182010-10-27T16:41:45.783-07:002010-10-27T16:41:45.783-07:00The spenders are not reading. They are shopping an...The spenders are not reading. They are shopping and having fun.<br /><br />The less I read the better I feel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-76856205888910461092010-10-27T11:55:51.268-07:002010-10-27T11:55:51.268-07:00Prok: "Um, no, Jim, nice try at a hate-fest, ...Prok: "Um, no, Jim, nice try at a hate-fest, but no sale."<br />Now that's my Chuckle of the Day, Prok calling me hateful. :p<br /><br />"I didn't say I *speak for* the masses."<br />Yawn. Sorry I snoozed off. I think you must have totally missed Botgirl's point too. My read of it was this was her whole point. None of us speak for the masses, who are oblivious to all of it. They might be aware of Linden bunnies now. Glad to see you agree for a change.<br /><br />"I realize that drives you into a frenzy."<br />I think you overvalue my opinion of yours, by several orders of magnitude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-52848351240599786772010-10-27T11:41:25.561-07:002010-10-27T11:41:25.561-07:00Oops. Typo. That last comment was for Lixena.Oops. Typo. That last comment was for Lixena.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-6602929940253739712010-10-27T11:39:33.259-07:002010-10-27T11:39:33.259-07:00Lixens: Umm. Assuming you're serious . . .
I ...Lixens: Umm. Assuming you're serious . . .<br /><br />I was trying to be blatantly sarcastic. Hence the use of phrases describing our activities as "social network stylings", "profound pontification" and "soap opera that endlessly plays across our blogs".<br /><br />My point was that we DON'T represent the thinking of the overwhelming majority of those who use Second Life and that any perception that we are the center of the virtual world is mistaken.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-51201870695940004812010-10-27T11:16:42.681-07:002010-10-27T11:16:42.681-07:00Botgirl??? your post is a bogus attempt at social ...Botgirl??? your post is a bogus attempt at social concern. I took from it that you wanted mostly from this post is to make the statement that you believe you and your circle of fellow bloggers to be the "SL Elite." You really don't want to know what SL'ers really think. The silent majority don't really care about the SL blog culture and/or its participants.<br /><br />Also the lists that you reference were jokes. Your endorsement of the "Top SL Blogs" as profound pontificators was laughable as well. I mean what exactly are you basing your assessment of that list on. It is almost two years old and most of the blogs referenced do not contain content that pontificates let alone profoundly pontificates. <br /><br /> The #1 blog is only remotely concerned with SL. #2 is the Official SL Blog (nothing profound coming from there). #3 is a fashion blog.Lixena Lamourfouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014660597405390682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-31768239342476071122010-10-27T09:28:31.552-07:002010-10-27T09:28:31.552-07:00most of my circle of friends don't follow the ...most of my circle of friends don't follow the SL blogs and get their info by word of mouth, seeking out info in google when they want more. when i asked some of them how they would feel if SL were to ever 'go down' or disappear, the answers i got were varied but all boiled down to - "i'll just start over at another virtual world". mind you, i have several friends who came over from There.com, so starting over is not something they feel is a big deal, i guess.<br /><br />for myself, i'm happy to have these friends who kind of keep me "grounded" when I get caught up in all the news of the blogosphere. Still, I like to keep up with the blogs and be informed of what's going on, but when i feel myself getting worked up about stuff, I have my circle to turn to, who always remind me that the things created in SL that really matter to me, will not go vanishing, even if SL were to sink ship and vanish itself.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04878655331066631005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-37717126525466586592010-10-27T08:06:27.484-07:002010-10-27T08:06:27.484-07:00I should clarify that I did not mean to imply at a...I should clarify that I did not mean to imply at all that those who do not follow blogs are necessarily dull. My experience parallels Tateru's in that that; most of my friends and acquaintances do not follow them, and I do not consider them dull. They've just not fallen into the same honey trap of blog reading that I have.<br /><br />Botgirl, maybe that's what happened to my cat ...Tarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01658557611812623734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-34236337156649597982010-10-26T19:56:19.706-07:002010-10-26T19:56:19.706-07:00Um, no, Jim, nice try at a hate-fest, but no sale....Um, no, Jim, nice try at a hate-fest, but no sale.<br /><br />I didn't say I *speak for* the masses. I just said I had *customers* in SL. Lots of ordinary people. People who aren't geeks and designers and lefty edu punks. Normal people. Ordinary people. That's all. <br /><br />I realize that drives you into a frenzy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17462957723334149373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-16663085520733987492010-10-26T18:47:21.734-07:002010-10-26T18:47:21.734-07:00I think I can safely say that I'm on the perip...I think I can safely say that I'm on the periphery of the sl blogverse; curious as to how and if anything will effect me personally, but with nothing to add that hasn't been said already. Kinda like the way I follow my local and r world politics. I think that if democracy ever came to sl, you'd get a 10% voter turn out rate or lower, just like many of the world's democracies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-33235009649651103262010-10-26T17:43:19.386-07:002010-10-26T17:43:19.386-07:00Prok: "It's precisely because I'm ver...Prok: "It's precisely because I'm very much in touch with these "masses" that you fear and loathe that I write as critically and sharply as I do of elites like you. Move over, botgirl. Here Comes Everybody."<br /><br />Well I'm glad to know that you speak for the masses. At least the other 99% get to be heard now, since you have cornered the market on the Vulcan mind-meld with the common people. Until now, I had no idea that the other 99% were hateful, spiteful creators of fiction passed off as informed commentary. ;)Jim Tarberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972751348051683710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-79834051853955426522010-10-26T17:27:46.625-07:002010-10-26T17:27:46.625-07:00Crap: Damn. You caught me again. :)Crap: Damn. You caught me again. :)Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-15684013969537700122010-10-26T17:13:31.503-07:002010-10-26T17:13:31.503-07:00Yes, you showed the social network folks at a tiny...Yes, you showed the social network folks at a tiny wedge of the pie... but at the very tippy-top of the pie!<br /><br />-ls/cmR.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430588783013579581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-22199097914952505862010-10-26T17:09:36.902-07:002010-10-26T17:09:36.902-07:00Miso: Good point. But I wonder whether much (if no...Miso: Good point. But I wonder whether much (if not most) of our communication is less about real news than passionate gossip and speculation.<br /><br />Prokofy: As a good card-carrying socialist, I have no paying customers. But I do have many hundreds of non-paying customers via my blog and social networking presence. But since I'm not an Elitest, I don't think I'm better than people in Second Life who don't an active extra-world presence. That's why I pointed out that although it seems like those who actively participate in blogging and social networks represent the center of the world, we are in fact, a very small slice of the pie.Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.com